Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/^demon 3

Support

1. Was a great admin before, and will be again. Experienced with images. Acalamari 20:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   Actually, make this a strong support: damn good answers! Very detailed and honest. Acalamari 23:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

2. Support. What Acalamari said ;). Qst (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
3. east.718 at 20:30, February 15, 2008
4. Of course. Mr.Z-man 20:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
5. Why not give them back? - Rjd0060 (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   That's exactly what we're asking. See questions above. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   I wasn't clear. I mean, I see no reasons not to give them back. - Rjd0060 (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

6. Support - definitely.   jj137 (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
7. Support and welcome back. My only reservation that because the user left adminship in good standing and is eligible to reclaim it by simple request to a bureaucrat, this RfA is an unnecessary expediture of community time. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Support I am pleased the ^demon is applying again, and even more pleased that he is doing it in the democratic way, through the voting process. Sadly, too many admins take their rights for granted. Danny (talk) 21:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
9. Might as well. DS (talk) 21:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
10. Support. Largely because of the answer to Q5. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
11. Quite experienced, no past significant issues with use of tools. Christopher Parham (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
12. Support Sure. Gary King (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
13. Support per Malleus. Newyorkbrad, and all the rest. Dlohcierekim Deleted? 21:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

    Hmm. if you feel anger while editing or reading other people's edits, the simple expedient is to turn of the computer and do anything else a while. Most of the things you complain about in the link in Q5 is due to people becoming overwrought. It is best when editing to adopt a sense of dispassionate interest or disinterested passion. If you can do that, you can avoid unnecessary drama and reduce the likelihood of abusing the tools. Dlohcierekim Deleted? 21:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

14. Why wouldn't I say yes when I see that you've collected 12 other votes? Flaminglawyer (talk · contribs) 21:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
15. Support - <sarcasm> despite the fact that I'm just another elitist bastard. </sarcasm> Speaking deliberately, I think that there is a role for an agitator in the community - and while I think that sometimes ^demon reacts before he considers all the consequences, I know that he has the best interests of the community at heart and will often say the things that need to be said by someone, however unpopular they are. - Philippe | Talk 22:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
16. Support - ^demon certainly wasn't the worst admin we had when he left, he's done some fantastic work with his tools. I do see some legitimate concerns in the oppose section, and I encourage ^demon to read these carefully before he takes any administrative action should this RfA succeed. All in all - the positves far outweight the negatives of ^demon regaining the tools. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
17. Ditto ^demon's already demonstrated ability to do the job well, which is the primary selection criterion. WilyD 22:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
18. Daniel (talk) 22:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
19. Strongly. Spebi 22:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
20. Strong Support - Excellent, Welcome back...--Cometstyles 22:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
21. Support. I was disappointed in several of ^demon's actions before his resignation (specifically the alma mater category situation), but I don't see anything that cannot be corrected or that would prevent him from using the tools responsibly. - auburnpilot talk 01:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
22. Support - ^demon was and will be an excellent admin. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 01:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
23. Support and the moral of the story is never use RfA for reconfirmation, since the community can be relied upon only to be predictably petty and vindictive. You never abused the tools, so you should get them back, and we should not waste our time discussing it.--Doc^g 01:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    I know what you mean. The worst thing about this encyclopedia is this blasted community. Whose horrible idea was it to trust these seething, miserable vessels of spite with important decisions? Clearly, the fact that this character's first RfA ran nearly unopposed and that this one seems doomed to failure is a testament to the capricious whim of the unruly mob and has little if anything to do with the way the candidate conducted himself as an admin and editor between now and then.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    That's not the point I'm making. The point is that when people come back for reconfirmation, there are always lots of people seeking to settle scores or pick up on small imperfections rather than simply ask if there's evidence of a probability of abuse of tools that would outweigh any probability of good work that would be done. The RfA community (a nasty subset of the real one) is petty at such times. My failure to trust its excuse for judgement is based on plenty of observed evidence. (And then they wonder why sane admins run a mile from recall nonsense. Who needs to "kick me" sign on their back?) --Doc^g 02:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    That's not really true. I've seen less controversial candidates breeze through reconfirmation attempts with overwhelming support. Two of the more recent ones were this one and this one. Your threshold for unsuitability for adminship appears to be the potential for wanton "abuse of the tools;" the fact that others hold candidates to higher standards than that does not make them bad people. You seem to have it in for the RfA voters, but they are a diverse bunch, and your harsh generalizations do not do them justice. --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 02:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    The "net effect" is my problem.--Doc^g 11:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

24. Support - not least because of your answer to Q5. Addhoc (talk) 02:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
25. Support Deserves a second chance. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 02:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
26. Support Seen this user as a good user, deserves the mop. And the incivility concerns in the oppose section dates back to last October and November. NHRHS2010NHRHS2010 04:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
27. Support. The number of toes stepped on seems proportionate to the number of administrative actions taken here. Certainly there are some things that could have been handled better, but the standard here is not perfection (or shouldn't be, until RoboAdmin 1.0 is out of beta-testing). He did good work; controversial decisions are not the same as abuse of the tools. MastCell ^Talk 04:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
28. Oh yeah To paraphrase MastCell, the number of toes, how big those toes are, and the sensitivity of those toes are all proportionate to the number of admin actions... Gosh I hate this reconfirmation stuff but it's worth it for this guy. I do worry a little that you might not enjoy it very much - you didn't seem to, last time around? ~ Riana ⁂ 05:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
29. Support. I still trust ^demon with the mop, which is what really matters. Regarding the opposition over "drama", ^demon has specifically stated his intent to avoid such entanglements and I see no reason at all not to take him at his word. Regarding complaints about supporting Veropedia over Wikipedia, such complaints are (in my own view) patent nonsense unconvincing. The Vero' crew improves articles on Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's own rules and common standards, so I fail to see how there's anything resembling a conflict of interest or a deprecation of Wikipedia. On the related free image thing, Wikipedia is supposed to be based on free content and there's even a Foundation-level policy related to that. (Plus, ^demon has been consistently clear on his fair use position, long before Veropedia was around.) Thus, the opposition provided seems entirely unconvincing to me. Vassyana (talk) 06:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
30. Support, user did well with the tools in the past. As for the "drama" concerns, Wikipedia is more or less nothing but. Not going to single this user out. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
31. Ultimately, an asset to the project. El_C 07:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
32. Support - Seems like we should have more admins with his sentiments. PaddyM (talk) 07:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
33. Support. I remember ^demon as a good admin, and I'd like to see him help out again. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 08:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
34. Support Natch Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
35. Per Acalamari. Rudget. 10:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
36. Support Jmlk17 10:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
37. Strong Support Trustworthy and honest. Nick (talk) 13:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
38. Support Has been a very good admin; I have had several positive interactions in the past, and no negative ones. If I were in doubt, I would be swayed by the support votes of such serious and sound editors as Newyorkbrad and Riana. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 14:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
39. Support. ^demon is an intelligent user who never abused the admin tools. I typically take a dim view of unnecessary self re-noms like this one, but ^demon is too good an editor to oppose on such grounds. A Train^talk 15:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
40. Support, the comments made in the oppose section, such as by Pedro, are true - however, this does not mean I don't trust the editor to be civil and trustable with the tools. A good editor who I can trust and believe the project will benefit him having the tools (again). Good luck, Poeloq (talk) 19:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
41. Support the +'s outweigh the -'s. RMHED (talk) 20:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
42. Although the reasons for ^demon's wanting the admin back are a little weak, I have to support based on his past record. –Crazytales talk 21:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
43. Support Is prepared to take the hurt when knowingly going in harms way - whether it is bravery or foolishness is unimportant, there needs to be an element of the sysop grouping that will do it for the best interests of the encyclopedia. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
44. Support - nothing's more obvious than the fact that the longer you're around, the harder it is to gain adminship. But I suggest getting another hobby, ^demon. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
45. Qualified support. Like others have pointed out, the good far outweighs the no-so-much in the course of several years. One or two misjudgments won't and should not simply cancel out years of great work. However, going against consensus in the aforementioned CFD discussion is not something that an experienced admin should feel free to do IMO. I don't agree that it was appropriate to pull an IAR on that one, particularly in light of the fact that a previous nomination for deletion resulted in a keep. — Zerida 23:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
46. Support As much as I oppose pointless reconfirmation RfAs, I can't turn down admins willing to work with images. Spellcast (talk) 00:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
47. yes -- Y not? 02:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
48. Support, definitely. krimpet✽ 02:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
49. Strong moral support. User:Dorftrottel 03:08, February 17, 2008
50. He's incivil, sometimes trollish, often acts against community consensus, certainly against the wishes of those who've bothered to comment. But the fact that he actually told AN the truth is enough. With due respect, it seems the opposition are those who were hurt by his abrupt manner of calling a spade a space, which is something we need now as much as (if not more than) ever. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 06:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
51. I wondered where you'd been. We could really use more admins that are willing to work with images. SQL^{Query me!} 10:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
52. Strong Support: On the basis of his past admin behaviour, especially when combined with his answers to questions 2 and 5.  DDStretch  (talk) 11:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
53. Support - unlikely to misuse or abuse the tools. Should be able to remain civil and keep a cool head. Guest9999 (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
54. While I probably wouldn't say it in the same way, I think he makes some good points. He was previously a fine administrator and will again serve the community well. -JodyB _talk 12:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
55. Support – respected ^demon as administrator before and look forward to working with him again. Shoessss |  Chat  14:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
56. Support. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
57. See neutral below by Maxim. Though I support, I agree with that. – Steel 21:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
58. Support fully qualified and clueful. Martinp23 22:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
59. Support - No reason not to that I can see. John Carter (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
60. Support --Charitwo ^talk 23:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
61. Support. Very experienced with image work, and gave up the tools voluntarily, so should be able to have them back. Cowardly Lion (talk) 00:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
62. Support - As far as I'm concerned, he's capable of being regranted admin tools.--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions|Guest)} 05:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
63. Support Experience is always a valuable thing. GDonato (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
64. Support - per answer to Q7, and despite rouge tendencies; speedy deleting an article by Jimbo Wales! EJF (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
65. Support Great editor that I've seen around for a long time now. Good luck. Dfrg_msc 23:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
66. You resigned? Will ^(talk) 00:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
67. Support, ^demon never broke the Wiki when he had tools before, and I don't think he'd do it if he gets them back. Glad to see him coming out of retirement! ♠PMC♠ 03:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
68. support For most interactions I've had with ^demon I've disagreed with his opinions. And yes, he can sometimes be a bit extreme and sometimes makes hasty or poorly thought out decisions. That's why we have things like DRV. ^demon was a very competent admin who is clearly dedicated to the project. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
69. Support - yup - Alison ^❤ 11:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
70. Support - no history of abuse, admits to errors, has valuable experience. Bearian (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
71. Support Bearian pretty much said it all, but I also believe "once an admin, always an admin". ;) (In mind, at least!) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  17:38 19 February, 2008 (UTC)
72. Strong support not least on the grounds of disagreeing with some of those who oppose on the grounds of your views on certain policies. Opinions, on-wiki or off-, are not a ground for refusing adminship. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 18:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
73. Support ^demon is one of the good guys. EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
74. Support - I appreciate your work. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
75. Support. ^demon has already demonstrated his ability to handle the admin. tools responsibly, and for the benefit of the project. Whilst it is indeed suprising to see him reversing on his earlier, rather high-profile decision to retire from metapedian activities, I cannot say I feel ill towards it; rather, I look forward to the prospect of ^demon regaining the tools he used to such a huge extent. Chad has demonstrated enormous wisdom, including in his previous activities with OTRS and as Chair of the Mediation Committee. Likewise, he has produced some enormous improvements at the Veropedia project, in his role as something of a (as I gather) "head developer"—he's largely responsible for the implementation of the single user login being rolled out there. I have absolutely no qualms about supporting his request, although I would not go so far as to rubbish the opposer's concerns: particularly, I do think ^demon can be somewhat dramatic at times, and may benefit from, shall we say, taking his work with a little less seriousness? Similarly, I can sympathise with the view that ^demon can be a little "gung-ho" in his approach. However, these are minor concerns, and are definitely ones that he can work on. Best of luck, Chad—I am confident in your ability to contribute as an administrator in a project-benfiting fashion. AGK (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
76. Support per Sam Korn. ^demon served well as admin previously. NoSeptember 22:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
77. Support Per Rjd0060 mostly. —Animum (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
78. Support I don't believe the OMGdramaz are as serious as opposers are suggesting. Black Kite 07:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
79. Please just ask for the tools back in future. We have enough processes and non-article pages already. We shouldn't be adding to them unnecessarily. DrKiernan (talk) 10:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

    If anyone wants to test that empirically, hit special:random/wikipedia 100 times and see how many of those pages are AfDs, how many are RfAs and how many are policies and guidelines. Carcharoth (talk) 13:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

80. Perfect example of a unneeded RFA, but still, hard worker against fair use, obviously need the tools. Secret 15:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

    "Hard worker against fair use"? "obviously need the tools"? You don't need the tools to work for or against fair use. Carcharoth (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

81. Support - Yes. --Bhadani (talk) 15:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
82. --Kbdank71 16:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

    Support. A number of editors I admire support ^demon and speak of him being a good admin. On the other hand, a number of editors I admire are concerned with ^demon's wikidrama grandstanding. The grandstanding will take place if ^demon is an admin or not, and as he has proved by references from notable wikipedians to have been an admin who did not misuse the tools in the past, we can assume he will not misuse them again. The chest-thumping wiki-drama is therefore largely a side-issue. People may have a concern that ^demon may on a grandstanding whim decide to experiment with pressing the BIG RED BUTTON that forces Wikipedia to autofellate; however. this provides some reassurance that after we've got the tissues out and cleaned up the mess, that ^demon will back out of the door apologising. Lets suck it and see. SilkTork *^{What's YOUR point?} 23:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

    I'd say that the concerns are not about drama that happens to non-admins. They are a direct result of his use of the buttons, therefore, drama that can be eliminated if he doesn't have them. For further elaboration, see my oppose below. нмŵוτнτ 23:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

    I'll admit, despite the flippancy of my support, that I have hesitations, and your opposition was one that I carefully considered. There is more than a whiff of arrogance about ^demon that is unsettling. However, I am persuaded by a belief that an admin with a degree of self-confidence can push things in a positive direction where a quiet and humble librarian may not. I don't think we can reasonably expect perfection from an admin - more of a willingness to work for the project, an understanding of the arcane ways of Wiki and a proven record of trustworthiness. My understanding is that ^demon fulfills to the satisfaction of experienced and respected Wikipedians these qualities, while the concerns of other Wikipedians are more along the lines of unease than anything solid. I would have preferred that ^demon had responded to your messages, but he wasn't actively rude or aggressive. Hopefully he will take on board your observations and be more alert to the responsibilities of being an admin in future. SilkTork *^{What's YOUR point?} 00:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

    Having looked more closely at some of the oppose diffs I now have enough uncertainty to step back for the moment. SilkTork *^{What's YOUR point?} 08:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

83. Support. One of the good ones. ➪HiDrNick! 00:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
84. Support Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
85. Moreschi ^{If you've written a quality article...} 16:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
86. Eusebeus (talk) 14:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
87. Per exactly what Acalamari said. – Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 20:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
88. Support Was a good administrator before. No reason not to be an administrator now. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
89. Support Undoubtedly a good admin; we need more like him.--Bedivere (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Everytime I see ^demon do or say something, he seems pissed off at something. I dunno why that is, but he says he wants to continue the work he was doing before. I believe that's what caused him to quit in the first place. Also when he requested desysopping, he asked for it to be impossible to be an admin on any WMF project again. But here we are. I think you'd be better off as a normal editor for your own sake, at least for a few more months. Majorly (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   Don't take this the wrong way, but somehow your comment reminds of something in-between The Glass Bead Game and my grandma complaining about Anal Cunt. I can't quite put my finger in it. User:Dorftrottel 03:20, February 17, 2008

   Actually, Majorly, I know exactly what you're saying. I feel the same way. I can't put my finger on it... but he always seems... annoyed. It's kind of intimidating. нмŵוτнτ 21:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

2. Oppose Way to much "OMG drama" and previous wholly negative interaction. Pedro :  Chat  20:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
3. Oppose per Pedro. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 21:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
4. Weak oppose. Sorry ^demon- I do like you, I think you're a nice guy, but it's what Majorly said- you always seem so angry. I think you're also a bit unpredictable- silly little things you do occasionally. For instance, blocking yourself. It made me laugh at the time, but I think you're a time-bomb. However, this is only a weak oppose, because, for the most part, you made a great admin. J Milburn (talk) 21:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
5. Oppose - Per Pedro. I've also witnessed similar attitude. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 21:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
6. Strong oppose A drama machine with consistently poor judgment: nominating RFA for deletion (as a tactic to force a reform discussion, when he didn't feel like using the talk page), speedy deleting Mzoli's (which ended up being a massive embarrassment for the project and could have easily been avoided with a little politeness and patience), deleting the Wikipedians by alma mater categories (700 of them!) against a strong consensus (his delete closure was never carried out, because it was swiftly and overwhelming overturned at DRV .) Pointless incivility "Oh come off it Anthere. Not a single one of your proposed theories as to why this is bad makes any sense to any thinking person." The rudeness of the post is especially stunning in light of the thoughtfulness and openness to discussion of Anthere's previous post. Supports Veropedia's content policies over Wikipedia's. Edit warring at WP:WBNOE. I didn't even look through his contributions, these are just incidents I remembered off the top of my head, and knew where to find quickly. --JayHenry (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   If I may reply to the Veropedia diff, I would like to say in my defense that I have long been a vocal opponent of our fairuse policy and a good number of my own edits are doing just that, removing fairuse images. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 05:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

   Okay, fair enough and struck that part. Although the Foundation allows some fair use (and it was a board member of the Foundation that said the removal was inappropriate in this case), I won't oppose for an opinion. The rest stands, and I'd genuinely like to hear your response to that. I'd also love to know why, in three years, you've virtually never bothered to do any article work. --JayHenry (t) 07:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

   I wouldn't mind at all discussing this further. Would you like to discuss it on my talkpage so we don't have to clutter the RFA? ^demon^{[omg plz]} 16:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

   I would like you to respond here. Your speech at ANI in September was something with which I strongly agree. But your behavior -- don't you see? -- is exactly the behavior you criticize. Your actions contradict your words and it is the actions that speak louder. Anyone can give empty speeches. Ignoring consensus to implement your preference, deleting an article indicated as a work in progress without discussion, edit warring, picking fights, never working on an article. These pertain very directly to this discussion. --JayHenry (talk) 18:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

   I understand what you're saying, and I do admit that I have a habit of speaking without thinking, and a poor choice of words. If I may be so bold as to venture back into Mzoli's, I must say that the entire incident was blown out of proportion and wasn't nearly as devastating as people seemed to think it was (personally, I hated the LA Times article). I wasn't looking to make a point, I wasn't looking to stand up to Jimbo. I was reviewing an article that met our criteria for deletion. Now, perhaps the situation could've been handled differently, but I still stand behind my initial action of removing un-sourced and seemingly non-notable information from the encyclopedia. I hate to drag it into here, but I have always been a strong fan of IAR. For the most part, my actions are taken in sight of IAR. While the vast majority of my actions have a place in our current policy, the few that have upset people seem to be my ones that involved me ignoring the rules. I'm not going to quote IAR, as we all know it, but let me say I firmly believe that my actions have /always/ been in the best interest of the encyclopedia, even when they are not popular or do not enjoy the support of the community. While I may at times seem like I am anti-community or anti-Foundation (as people on foundation-l can attest), I can assure each and every member of this project that I always do have the best interests of Wikipedia, the Foundation, and free content at heart. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 19:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

   I think IAR would have told you to keep the Mzoli's article at least for a couple of days, even if it technically met the A7 requirements, because it was created by a well-established user (god-king or not). Since you know he understands the CSD, deleting the article shows assuming bad faith—assuming that the established user had no intention of improving the article as soon as possible. --Ginkgo100^talk 00:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

   Jimbo is on record as saying he'd probably have deleted it himself in demon's shoes. I note also that various other complains here have nothing to do with admin tools (closing xfD is something anyone can do, as is nominating RfA for deletion). There's little evidence here of his unsuitability with the tools, so I'm struggling to see the sense.--Doc^g 08:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

7. Weak Oppose per Pedro and J Milburn. Normally I'd be all for re-sysopping, but your actions and attitude have shaken my confidence. Sorry. Majoreditor (talk) 22:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Weak, Weak Oppose I'm not really against the user, but rudeness does prevent me from supporting. Spencer^T♦C 22:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
9. Oppose Erratic behavior, doesn't seem to believe in the project.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
10. Edit conflict Oppose. TBH, I have no idea why you're here, per Majorly. Plus, constantly annoyed admins can be hard to work with, sorry. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN} ^{it seems the winds have stopped...} 22:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
11. Oppose per Majorly. Too much drama. Sorry. Mønobi 22:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
12. Oppose, per Majorly. --Agüeybaná 22:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
13. Oppose - Per Majorly, Pedro, and this. I think this user's userpage sums it up. Tiptoety ^talk 23:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
14. Oppose He declines to answer the questions everyone else seems happy to, and I decline to support him. Nick mallory (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

    To begin with, the questions are optional: he does not have to answer them. Secondly, as ^demon said himself, the answers to the first three questions are on his second RfA, and they are still perfectly valid answers; therefore, he has answered the questions. Thirdly, he invited the community to ask fresh questions, which he has been taking the time to answer. The only reason he's left some questions blank is because, at this time, he has not been online, as evidenced by his contributions. This RfA may be worth looking at too. Acalamari 00:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    Thanks! That's totally changed my mind!! No, wait, it hasn't. He's free to answer the questions, or not, and I'm free to draw my own conclusions from that. It seems symptomatic of a person who thinks the established norms which apply to everyone else don't, for some reason, apply to him. This contempt for consensus is why I don't think he should be an admin. Admins are supposed to solve problems, not create them. If he can't be bothered to jump through the same hoops as everyone else who reapplies here then there's something wrong. Please feel free to argue the toss about this some more of course, and see where that gets you. Nick mallory (talk) 09:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    Why the hell should he answer them again? Are you really such a process wonk that you want to see him copy and paste the text from his last RfA to this one? John Reaves 12:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

15. Regretful Oppose It pains me to say so, but the incidents that JayHenry brings up are disconcerting enough to make me honestly feel you are untrustworthy. Sorry, but the fact that even many of your supporters call you an "agitator" and recognize the legitimacy of some of the oppose claims doesn't exactly stem the tide either. What we need are admins that dutifully and courteously act in the best interest of the project and, most importantly, can reliably enact a consensus (even one that defies their own personal feelings). Diffs provided here strongly suggest you have a hard time doing this. VanTucky 01:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
16. Protest oppose against the general trend of reconfirmation RFAs and community infighting instead of encyclopaedia writing. Also per Majorly. User:Krator (t c) 01:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
17. Oppose. Overly bureaucratic, non fun-loving. Users who go through reconfirmation RfAs unnecessarily are not fit to have admin tools. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 01:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    This RfA obviously was necessary, otherwise you'd have had no chance to oppose. Majorly (talk) 14:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

    Saying this RfA is unnecessary is a purely personal value judgment. User:Dorftrottel 02:03, February 17, 2008

18. Oppose. Has a tendency to lash out at people and make a bad situation worse... The Mzoli's meats AfD is still burned into my head, although I see now it was longer ago than I thought. Needs more time, I think. Grandmasterka 03:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
19. Regretful Oppose, ^demon gets himself involved in a lot of unpopular work that nevertheless needs to be done, and I thank him(?) enthusiastically for that. However, my observations of him indicate that he used to do it in a rather dour and humourless fashion. I really don't think this was necessary, and I don't see any evidence that you've changed in that regard. Some of User:Majoreditor's diffs above also indicate that occasionally you can be reckless with the tools, not something I really want to see in an admin. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 04:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC).
20. Oppose. Assuming Good Faith, the question still is, Is this another "test"? -- Iterator12n ^Talk 05:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
21. Oppose. User had shown a total disregard for community consensus and abused the admin tools when they had them. Apparently not strong enough to handle criticism and seems volatile at times. Not suited to regaining the position. --PeaceNT (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
22. I don't believe ^demon currently has the temperament to be an effective administrator. Ral315 (talk) 08:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
23. Oppose: Sorry, too much drama involved and disregard for consensus. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 15:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
24. Oppose, uncomfortable with behavior, views and attitude. Everyking (talk) 18:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
25. No. I'm sorry, I don't think I want you back as an admin, bearing in mind the other opposition. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
26. Oppose Try again after being a "user" for a few months. --Stormbay (talk) 01:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
27. Oppose Was highly active in image deletion, but in the same time span shows far, far less activity in the form of fixing imperfect rationales so that they wouldn't need deletion. I'd rather have image processing admins who want the encyclopedia to have legitimate content than high speed deleters that aren't applying judgment. GRBerry 06:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
28. Oppose per GRBerry. Your bias against Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy concern me a lot. Carlosguitar ^{(ready and willing)} 15:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
29. Reluctant oppose. I don't like to oppose candidates since adminship is supposedly "no big deal", and even moreso for a previous admin who voluntarily surrendered his rights. But I see what I consider abuse of the "delete" button (deleting against consensus, speedy deleting a brand new article by an (*ahem*) experienced Wikipedian). And my only major criterion is whether the user seems likely to abuse the tools. Sorry. --Ginkgo100^talk 18:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
30. Oppose. Confrontational attitude (yes, I know this is a case of WP:KETTLE, but that doesn't make me wrong). I recall an incident several months ago (I don't have time to find the diffs now) when User:hmwith, who was not then an admin, asked him about a fair use image (I believe it was a baseball team logo, or something like that) which he had deleted, despite the fact it was used in an article. He ignored her, and when she asked me to try and deal with the issue, he ignored me. I initially thought it was an error (since he was receiving a lot of talkpage messages at that time) so I notified him a couple more times, but he still ignored me. Even if this was a mistake, no admin should be deleting images at such a rate that they don't have time to respond to people questioning their deletions. Admins need to be able to be accountable for 100% of their administrative actions. (I'll find diffs for this incident later; I'm very busy in real life at present, hence why this is my first edit in two weeks.) If I were feeling particularly vindictive, I'd support him anyway because of the Mzoli Meats incident (I have no idea who was right/wrong on that, but I am not a big fan of the Foundation or the wiki-elite), but in the end, the best interests of Wikipedia are more important than my own personal feelings, and it is not in the best interests of Wikipedia to have ^demon as an admin. Walton^One 18:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

    See my oppose below for the diffs for these incidents. нмŵוτнτ 21:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

31. Oppose per above, especially the image deletions. An admin should be able/willing to explain his actions, especially to new editors. Too many admins assume "but somewhere in this whole thing I was deleting a fair use image" is a blanket excuse for absolutely any kind of behavior (and too often the community buys that). Do we really want more admins who ignore reasonable questions about their admin actions? -Rividian (talk) 19:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
32. Oppose While certain amounts of skepticism are useful in admins, ^demon has this in large enough amounts to damage his ability to work with other Wikipedians. I hope that ^demon will stay with the project, but I think that it is best that he contribute as a user and not an admin. Captain panda 22:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
33. Oppose, for a number of reasons - 1) in principle (I will continue to oppose all reconfirmation RFAs), 2) because demon^ cannot be trusted with the delete button per the various examples above, 3) because he's rude and confrontational (again, see various examples above), 4) because we really don't need the additional drama, 5) because he seems to be unstable, and 6) because he only half-tells the truth in this very RFA self-nomination statement (as he indicates here, he revoked his right to "ever obtain any usergroup on any Wikimedia project beyond that of 'user'"). Neıl ☎ 11:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
34. Oppose While I believe ^demon has genuine talent and concern for administrative duties, I feel he lacks sufficient civility in dealing with other users, especially when there is sharp division in viewpoints. I would be happy to support if he demonstrates an improvement in this area. --Auger Martel (talk) 12:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
35. Oppose as per JayHenry above. The alma mater incident especially gives me too much pause in trusting this editor with the mop again. --Kralizec! (talk) 15:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
36. Oppose Per JayHenry. A few too many concerns here. Twenty Years 16:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
37. Oppose Per concerns raised above, especially those raised by JayHenry. TigerShark (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
38. Oppose Just too many concerns. If you had the ability to be re-sysopped (as is my impression) without an RfA, why didn't you? This RfA is wikidrama that could have been avoided. Because of that, I have no reason to believe that future wikidrama wouldn't follow from your contribs where wikidrama was not needed. Opposing, sorry. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
39. Oppose. A productive editor certainly, but has clearly shown through past administrative behavior that he should not have been trusted with the tools. Abuse of the delete button cited above is certainly bad, and general incivility/drama-creation makes that much worse. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
40. Oppose. Sorry, I have to go with an oppose as per JayHenry and Pedro. Fattyjwoods ^{(Push my button)} 04:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
41. Oppose per reasons stressed by WaltonOne (diff) and Majorly (diff). I also am supplying diffs (& a timeline of events) for the situation of which Walton One speaks:
    • He deleted Image:53logo.JPG on June 22, 2007. (diff).
    • I first asked him about the image on his talk page on July 15, 2007 (diff).
    • After not hearing from him after two days, left another note on his talk page (diff).
    • After still receiving no response 7 hours later, I asked Walton (who had been a great mentor in helping me learn the ropes) for a 2nd opinion on his talk page (diff).
    • A full week later, Walton asked ^demon about it on his talk page (diff).
    • My comments were then archived by MisZaBot III (7 days after being posted without a response) (diff).
    • Walton's comments were also archive by MisZaBot III (5 days after being posted without a response) (diff).

    Note that I am not saying he made a wrongful deletion, but it was the way he handled it (or didn't, in this case). It was a fine image that simply needed a source, which I promptly added (diff) as soon as it was restored by EVula (diff). This is definitely not to be an isolated case, which I noticed at the time, but, God, please don't ask me to provide any more diffs! нмŵוτнτ 21:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

    If I may, there are a few diffs missing from this story. The image in question, Image:53logo.JPG, was originally added to Fifth Third Field (Toledo) by User:Hmwith with this edit at 17:06, 10 June 2007. She then fixed the size with this edit, but left the infobox separator parameter (the "|") in front of the parameter instead of after it. The image may have been showing properly at the time (though I doubt it - someone would need to look at the history of the template to be absolutely sure of that, in this case Template:Infobox Baseball Stadium, or rather the history at Infobox Stadium (where Infobox Baseball Stadium redirects), which underwent a rewrite by User:Gracenotes on 11 June 2007), but what we can say for sure is that User:Riana came along and fixed this infobox problem at 15:16, 16 June 2007. As can be seen in this diff, Hmwith had uploaded the image on 10 June, and BetcommandBot tagged it as an orphan at 05:27, 16 June 2007, which is about 10 hours before Riana did the fix. As far as I know, stuck inside an infobox like that and not displaying properly, the image was technically an orphan (can anyone confirm or correct that?) A little later (at 15:44 the same day), we see Hmwith thanking Riana for fixing the image problems. However, no-one had gone and removed the orphaned image tag from the image, and this may explain why ^demon deleted it at 19:21, 22 June 2007. ^demon should have checked to see if the orphaned images were actually in use, but clearly didn't. This is a fairly common situation, where admins clear large image backlogs without carrying out careful checks. The normal result, when people spot a mistake like this, is to undelete on request, but this didn't happen here. Hence the orphan tag being left on the image may explain the deletion, but it doesn't explain ^demon's failure to respond to several separate requests for an explanation as to what had happened. The orphan tag was not removed until 23 July 2007 when User:EVula restored the image and then removed the orphan tag. Hope that makes things slightly clearer. Carcharoth (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

    Ha, thanks for filling in the holes. I forgot about that whole situation. Damn newbies trying to format infoboxes! But, as you said, it was an innocent mistake in in deleting the image, but there was no reason to avoid inquiries by the uploader, and especially not by another admin. I know that he had to have seen them, since he edited other sections before & after it. Avoidance is a poor trait for an admin. нмŵוτнτ 22:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

    I agree. Still not completely convinced to oppose, but ^demon's statement to "continue my work largely where I left off, in the realm of non-free content" concerns me. If I could see evidence that he helps people add or keep non-free content that helps to improve the encyclopedia (and that baseball logo doesn't really cut it - I'm talking non-free images that sail past NFCC#8, a vote to keep such an image in an IfD, or writing a really good rationale to help keep such a non-free image), then I might support. Non-free image work should be as much about supporting correct use as clamping down on incorrect use. ^demon's work in the Image namespace (somewhere around 250 edits) can be seen here. What I would like to see is IfD contributions - votes and closures - any evidence of that? Carcharoth (talk) 23:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

42. Oppose. per preceding and per Jayhenry. This sort of behaviour is not conducive to 'pedia building. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
43. Oppose per JayHenry and GRBerry. 6SJ7 (talk) 14:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
44. Oppose per GRBerry. "Calling a spade a spade" is a fine thing to do, and I support that practice. I don't see ^demon's conduct as embodying that principle, however; rather, behavoir strikes me as too often erratic and hasty, embodying little principle at all. Since I'm happy to "call things as I see them", I have no reservation in sharing my honest judgment here. Xoloz (talk) 17:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
45. Oppose per the multitude of issues raised above. Rigadoun (talk) 18:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
46. Oppose to quote someone else,"Those who can, create. Those who can't, delete." Too many deletions, too little contructive discussion. &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149;^dissera! 19:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
47. Weak oppose for now I am a bit concerned about all the references to assorted pieces of drama, even from supporters. I am a bit concerned about lack of actual article creation as born out by . I am think some more time in the trenches producing content would actually be a good thing, particularly when I see almost no activity in the last 3 months. This does not mean I would not support at a later date of course.--Filll (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
48. Oppose I am concerned about the rudeness level that I have witnessed with this editor. I think h/her editing is not even an issue, but an administrator should show civility at all times. Even in times of great stress! Best of luck! Canyouhearmenow 22:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
49. Oppose Have not had good interactions with this user. --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
50. Oppose due to frivolous MFD. Stifle (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

    No discussion that runs to 308kb can really be called frivolous, can it ? Nick (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

51. Oppose Has deleted to many images that were really useful. This users attitude toward me wasn't exactly what I expected.Swirlex^{The Barnstar Giver} —Preceding comment was added at 16:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
52. Oppose I do not think contraversal people should be admins, but can be productive members of the community. Zginder ^{(talk) (Contrib)} 21:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Protest neutral. This is a pointless exercise. ^demon, you should have asked at the 'crat noticeboard and avoid this drama. If you're so confident not to answer the standard questions, why not just ask a 'crat? I don't see the point of this RfA, and frankly, I think this is unnecessarily disruptive. The candidate is obviously trusted, IMO, as he was long-tenured sysop without any major controversy, he's a Veropedia programmer, and he did a bunch of OTRS and media requests before. Maxim_(talk) 20:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   "The candidate is obviously trusted ..." -- 10 people opposed within 2 hours of your saying that. This is not so obvious. - Revolving Bugbear 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   It would be interesting (albeit ugly) to see--as a gauge of community trust, if nothing else--a few of these "pointless exercises" for some of our current admins. WP:AMR, though hardly a panacea, doesn't strike me as an altogether terrible idea.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

   So every user I've given a block that was less than indef or ever been in a disagreement with me can vote for me to lose the tools? Sounds great! Where can I sign up? Mr.Z-man 01:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

   Aye, probably, but the above opposes are not from users that ^demon has blocked -- many of them are established users, some of them admins themselves. - Revolving Bugbear 20:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

   That's the problem I have with comments like Mr. Z-man's and Doc's. They project spiteful, vindictive, irrational qualities onto the community at large. In my experience, the majority of editors are capable of fairly and reasonably weighing whether sitting admins have performed to the standards expected of them. That's why I'm not automatically opposed to the idea of reconfirmation or to proposals like WP:AMR.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

2. Neutral - It would have been one thing if the candidate had not burned bridges and just asked for the bit back. As User:Maxim points out, candidate would contribute to the project immediately at a very high level of experience, competence, and expertise. Not to sound snarky in this proceeding, but I believe candidate has discovered a third official way of losing sysop rights: C) resigning the bit, and then misjudging community approval during a re-run for adminship. I'm inclined to suggest the candidate withdraw right away, and come back to this process in three months with a degree more regard for this sort of proceeding, which is a measure of trust and confidence. BusterD (talk) 00:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
3. I thought ^demon was a good admin. However, I find it odd that although he "revok[ed his] right to ever obtain any usergroup on any Wikimedia project beyond that of 'user'.", here he is. I think you were a good administrator, but you seemed so strongly opposed to ever become an admin again, I'm a bit worried. seresin | wasn't he just...? 00:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
4. Neutral. Good work, but a little too much drama and rudeness. I'm thinking some time later would be better. bibliomaniac15 00:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
5. I'm sorry, I just can't support here. GlassCobra 01:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
6. Great answers and plenty of experience, but I think in his prior admin work ^demon tended to push his own views over others far too aggressively. The Category:Wikipedians by alma mater business (see the CfD) is one of the more extreme examples. I don't want to oppose for a variety of reasons, but foremost because I think editors who go through scrutiny tend to use the tools more responsibly. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 03:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
7. Neutral Great guy, but I just can't support. Sorry. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 05:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Neutral even though I supported the original request. The project is better with ^demon than without him, but the tone of anger in the RFA reform controversy and in the comments when he temporarily left us call into question whether he can handle the stress of adminship. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 05:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
9. neutral - while adminship is supposed to be no big deal, it clearly is a huge status thing here in this virtual community. I'm concerned that ^demon realized that his previous resignation was too much of a status let down. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
10. neutral - undecided, might still be swayed either way. Carcharoth (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
11. Neutral Sorry, but at this time I just can't support. Midorihana^~iidesune? 07:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
12. Neutral - Even though ^demon is someone who I respect greatly, some of the issues raised here are worrying. He was a very good admin in many actions but his temperment is what prevents me supporting. James086^{Talk | Email} 10:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
13. Neutral - I can't get past the feeling that this is just a big joke, or social statement, kind of the same as nominating RfA for deletion. Doing something to get maximum attention, and maximum drama. Handing over the mop in a manner designed to create drama, and then asking for it back in a manner to create drama. Hiberniantears (talk) 00:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
14. Neutral - I've seen a fair amount of good work from this Wikipedian. My only concerns are about "speedy" actions which possibly should have not been so "speedy", as it were. That said, I'm not thrilled with several of the oppose commenters above who opposed due to (paraphrasing) "He deleted something I wanted kept", which I hope are discounted by the closer regardless of how this is closed. - jc37 21:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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